It seems like Peter Joseph (the founder of the Zeitgeist Movement) thinks that machines will do all the work for all people and that no one will own anything in a resource based society. I think he is wrong about this. For one, people like to work and share their work, secondly, everyone like to have something they can call ‘their own’. I know that in RBE everyone will have access to everything, and that machines and technology will be so developed that we really don’t have to do anything. But this is not the point. The point is that people want to do stuff, and they want to be proud over their creation. Just look at Jacque Fresco. He, along with his partner, Roxanne Meadows, is trademarking the term “Resource Based Economy”. Why? Because it’s something (according to them) they have worked on their whole life, and that they have ‘the right to’, since it’s “their creation”. Why on earth doesn’t Fresco and Meadows, of ALL people, not give their creation out freely?  Of course, because they feel they deserve something back for all their work.

So will people in RBE. But this is where my analogy stops looking like the world we have today. I’m not saying that we need money in RBE, or property, like we have today. No. But if someone creates a painting, a unique painting, this is one persons creation and it’s up to that person what should be done with it. And this goes for all creations made by us humans. So, what would be the reward?

Answer: The reward in creating anything is: 1. The joy of creating it. 2. The joy of sharing it.

But, it is still the creators choice whether he/she want’s to share it or not. Of course, it can’t be sold, like it is today, and there will be no other reward than the mentioned joy, but still, it is and will always be the property of the creator until she/he chooses to give it away.

So, I don’t think people will be happy letting machines do absolutely everything for them. Being of service to other people will always be something that will bring joy and meaning to our lives. Be it being an artist creating art, a composer creating music, a dancer dancing, a chef cooking, a massager massaging, a doctor healing, a nurse nursing, a designer designing or a photographer photographing.

When it comes to property, it will be nothing like today. Yes, accessibility will be there for everything needed. Still, if one want’s a plot of land to grow one’s own fruit and vegetables, that should be able to be called ones own.

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11 Responses to Money and property in a resource based economy

  1. shockme says:

    I would have to agree here. Especially with respect to housing and private transport. Resources may dictate the size and performance of a vehicle or the square footage of a home, but everyone needs a space and a way to travel that they can use exclusively until they choose another. Waiting at a bus stop to go to the first available tent with all our possessions really doesn’t appeal to me.

  2. Subhendu Das says:

    Resource based economy (RBE) is a money-less economy (MLE). When there is no money resources will not have any value. No body will go after them. All resources will become abundant. Here is why:

    Now everybody wants to live in a big house. Because it gives a status symbol. It grows in monetary value. But in MLE everybody will be able to have big houses. All houses will be free. There will therefore be no status attached to any house any more. Eventually no body would like to live in a big house. The resources to build a house will be come free. No one will go after them in a MLE. This will happen for many resources. Just like 1000 years back all resources were free and abundant, again in MLE all resources will become free and abundant.

    There is therefore no need for a RBE. Just create a MLE. The assumption behind the RBE is wrong. It assumes that in MLE people will continue to crave for same thing as we do now in money based economy. The society will dramatically change in a MLE in philosophy, culture, values, etc.Thus demands for material needs, beside the basic things, will vanish. Our mindset will change.

  3. evolutis says:

    Let’s name and frame this abusive, money system that we all seem to attach ourselves to. Commentary after commentary, posting after posting, world wide, we all know this is a bad idea, that is staring us in the face. It has never worked over the centuries, and never will. This resource, wasting consumption and the killing of people to chase after dollars is a “how much does it cost?’ parlay. If we look at it from the point of view of the user, we are the user[s]. It is not that we mean, or want to sign up for war, or abuse, the person next to us, but we do, because of a flawed paradigm that offers no alternative. Such events take place far away from nature, the scientist’s workbench and the reality, of invisible giving. .

    “Borrowing was for waste”
    There is no way out of this chariot, trash design if we are so damn partisan, as to stay within such an abusive, system. Perhaps it is time to do, what needs to be done. Perhaps we need to just stop the dysfunction; get rid of the monetary entrapment …. a provocative notion. Most of our babble is nothing more than a perceptual, reconstructions of the world in monetary terms. There are far kinder and wiser ways to perceive, define and sustain life.

  4. gianfranco calabretta says:

    LAND SOCIALISM<<<<<<<LIMIT THE POPULATION

  5. lolly says:

    Peter Joseph’s vision is not to take creativity or work from people. People will still work but not powered by a consumerist driven society. It will relieve the need for people to work just to make ends meet. Basically the RBE means that we have more free time to develop and work on things we like with education freely available to develop skills. Things will be built to last rather than break when the warranty expires. People should be able to dedicate their lives for a more meaningful existence

  6. lolly says:

    Peter Joseph’s vision is not to take creativity or work from people. People will still work but not powered by a consumerist driven society. It will relieve the need for people to work just to make ends meet. Basically the RBE means that we have more free time to develop and work on things we like with education freely available to develop skills. Things will be built to last rather than break when the warranty expires. People should be able to dedicate their lives for a more meaningful existance

  7. admin says:

    Answer to charleskane.

    Yes, rbe is not easy to imagine right of the bat. But the short answer to your first questions is ‘yes’. Yes, I do think people will go to school for years to be able to help other people. And the reward will be peoples gratitude and your own feeling of success for helping them. Have you never helped someone for ‘free’? Have you never felt the great feeling for accomplishment for something you did with no monetary reward?

    Studying to be a doctor without the heavy sponsorship by pharmaceutical companies there is today, but with a true and honest curriculum instead, I definitely think many people would be interested in. Then they could be studying, not only how to ‘cure’ sick people, but how to make us stay healthy and not need a doctor in the first place. Today’s system builds on disease and on people being sick. Hundreds of new medicines are created every year to cater to more and more ‘diseases’ being invented every year, so that the pharmaceutical companies can make money and keep employees, and so the ‘doctors’ can have patients.

    When it comes to technology, yes, I think it will still grow fast, but with a different motive. Today’s motive in a lot of technological growth is money or war. In rbe, the motive would be the total benefit of society. And yes, there are many many people who develop technology for free for the benefit of society TODAY already. The operating system Linux is just one tiny example of thousands. Just look at the web. The world wide web is another example. The inventor of this gave it away for free. All people today doesn’t think like you, you know. They actually care about society. Also, a lot of the technology used today was invented by inventors not for money, but for the common good. Einstein, for instance, didn’t work to get rich, but for his own and society’s interest.

    The machines will be built by machines, as they are today. A car factory today is 100% automatized. What is needed is people’s programming input and decision making.

    RBE is not about NOT rewarding people, it’s about DIFFERENT rewards. And the rewards will be the feelings we are all after today through money. Today, we think we will get the feelings of happiness and fulfillment trough money only. Have you never felt fulfilled by doing something without monetary reward? I bet you have. I bet you have one or more interests that you will spend your time on, not because of money, but because you like it.

    ‘Work’ in RBE will not be something you have to do to get the things you need, like today. ‘Work’ will be something you do because you want to be a part of society, and to get the tremendous rewards of community and feelings of fulfillment and joy. Today we only think we can get those feelings when we earn enough money to get AWAY from work and go on a holiday. In RBE, the ‘work’ will be what you are truly interested in. And don’t worry, there are more than enough people interested in all the things that needs to be done in society.

    The article above is about calling something ‘ones own’, which is a totally viable concept also in RBE. Like, when you create something you would like to keep for your self for a while. Like a painting, a song, or a garden on a piece of land. Still, sharing gives you much more back than ‘hiding your light under a bushel’.

    So, yes, I think there will be more than enough people for all the ‘jobs’ that we need to fill. The point is that we won’t need to fill so many ‘jobs’ either. Today, about 70% of all jobs are there ONLY to sustain the monetary system. Thus, without money we don’t need so many people to fill ‘jobs’.

    Many people can ‘go on holiday’ most of the time if that’s what they want, except being on a holiday can become quite boring in the long run. So, people will want to participate. Just look at your self and how it was when you grew up. I bet you wanted to participate in what looked like fun and interesting stuff. All kids do.

    And in RBE we can all be ‘kids’, participating in what we are interested in, instead of waisting our lives on meaningless jobs existing only to uphold the monetary system. In the monetary system there is so much waste: Food, old cars, broken cell phones (or not even ‘broken’, only ‘out of fashion’), old clothes, old tires, and on and on. Mountains of waste is produced every day. Rainforest is cut down for crops. Oil and plastic is polluting our oceans and the fumes the atmosphere. We can’t go on like this. We HAVE TO try and imagine another world. If not, we will perish with the direction we are on.

    And ONE alternative to this other world is RBE. So, please try to imagine WHAT IT CAN BE LIKE, AND HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT, rather than only criticizing it. Of course, your criticism inspired me to write this, so criticism is also good. RBE can be thought about in many ways. Two way’s to think about RBE is:

    1. If RBE was to come pass TODAY.

    and

    2. RBE as a ‘future society’.

    1. If RBE was to come to pass TODAY, we would all have to change our values drastically, and start doing everything we do ‘for free’. Of course, without the monetary system, even in today’s world we would have a lot of ‘leisure time’. But the ‘need to be done’ tasks would of course had to be done. Like food production and transportation, health care, street cleaning and garbage handling. Except, knowing that WE ALL COLLABORATE, there would be A LOT MORE PEOPLE accessible to do those tasks. And WE WOULD NOT POLLUTE as much as we do today. We would THINK TWICE about throwing away stuff. When we don’t have TO WORK TO FEED OURSELVES, but can actually PARTICIPATE in the production and distribution of food and other stuff, there would be an abundance of people to do that. Or do you think everyone would just lie down at the beach expecting everyone else to feed them? RBE TODAY would be totally possible when we only CHANGE OUR MINDS and open our eyes. With the monetary system gone, we would still only need about 30% of today’s workforce to ‘keep the wheels rolling’.

    2. RBE as a future society would strongly build on the notions from point number one. We would still have to have those values, and we would still collaborate and ‘do stuff for free’. The only difference would be that the whole society would be more streamlined towards RBE. We would have developed more technology to serve us and help us in our everyday tasks. And with products built to last, food made to nourish us and a general healthy and happy lifestyle, we would all be able to contribute to society in ways never seen before. And with a technology further developed, we would need even fewer people to ‘keep the wheels rolling’. Maybe only 5-10% of today’s workforce would be ‘needed’. Except, giving this percentage is a bit counter productive, since most people will WANT TO WORK and participate in society.

    The main point to understand RBE is to see that we can do stuff ‘for free’, for the joy of it, for the bliss of sharing, for the fulfillment we feel, for the gratitude of others and for the love of the task itself. This way we can still have coffee shops, doctors, engineers, scientists, singers, artists, painters, dancers, gardeners, and basically all the meaningful ‘jobs’ and professions we have in today’s society. What we will not have is bankers, investors, financial analysts, clerks, etc. I am not saying that all these jobs are meaningless, they can be performed with great meaning in todays society. I am only saying that they are not contributing a lot to a sustainable life on this planet, and that in RBE they won’t be needed, and will thus be meaningless.

    What you call ‘the real world’ is only the world we are all indoctrinated to believe in. It is not how it has to be. There is an infinite ocean of possibilities, as long as we allow them to enter our minds.

    Hope this helps you see how RBE can be the ‘real world’. And thanks for inspiring me to write this answer.

  8. charleskane says:

    @evolutis

    In the event that this happened in the future who is in control of what gets produced? Do you really think that doctors will go to school for years and then just work without reward? Do you think technology will grow as fast as it does now when there are no rewards or competition? Who’s going to make the machines if there isn’t anybody willing to build them? If you reward people in a resource based system it defeats the purpose of a resource based system and you might as well go back to using money, but if you don’t reward people then there will be no doctors, scientists, or engineers. Why work when you can get everything for free? It’s a nice fantasy but it wont work in the real world.

  9. evolutis says:

    The work ethic is all we have ever know hard to shake of in such narrow context lets have some fun

    The year is 2023. Way back in 2010, they finally snapped out of it and did away with entire monetary system. No money, no banks, taxes, terrorism, less crime, worries of war and far less government. Poor people are no longer needed to scare the middle class, all the divisive shit the plutocracy used to use like jobs, income, social status, education as a cult, are passing out of the daily conversation. Emerging technology is proving it’s worth on many levels. I need to constantly learn, unlearn and relearn. I’m fluent in 3 languages as are most of my peers. Moreover the ability of all people to move freely about the earth is an important part of the education process.

    I’m arrogant, feel that my one and only “job” is to earn the trust and respect of those around me by taking the time and effort to solve problems as they present moment to moment. All this is really important to maintain my needs for clean water, clean food, and high quality shelter. I now have the freedom to spend quality time with my family enjoying, sports, music, nutritional studies, the arts, nature, spiritual processes, and the sciences.

    The year is 2023, I’m arrogant. I’m 30 years old and at 12:10 PM I’ve decided to take the 45 minute trip from New york to Paris, underwater and on board the new maglev AT3 system that carries cargo, travels world wide, at a top speed of 4,000 MPH.[ETT is silent, low cost, safe, faster than jets, and is electric, wise use of resources. Large airports are a thing of the past.] The point of the trip is a discussion on international, boarders and the 99 year property ownership moratorium. Not a utopia for sure, just much better. Just a scenario.

    • admin says:

      Yes!

      This is exactly the kind of response I want on this site. Thank you Evolutis, and please post more good images from the future. :)

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