What would YOU do in a Resource Based Economy? Share your thoughts!


What would YOU do in a Resource Based Economy?

Please share your thoughts about this in the comments field below.

Trying to imagine a moneyless society from the mindset of the monetary system is difficult. Still, it seems that more and more people are able to do just that. And, it is imagining this what we need. We need visions and visionaries. And we need to share those visions with each other in an open and honest way. Hopefully this website can contribute to that.

The term ‘resource based economy’ has been largely connected with The Venus Project. The way it is described there requires a drastic change in infrastructure, technology, transportation and more to be realized. I am not saying that this will never come to pass. If our mindsets changes enough we WILL necessarily also change the world around us into a more efficient and sustainable world. Not necessarily exactly like TVP envisions it, but still.

But this is why I would like you to imagine what a moneyless society would be like TODAY. We don’t need to wait for society to break down before we can live in a resource based economy.

If we simply dropped money and ownership, and everybody started doing what they do to contribute to society we can have RBE right away. And all the people in the ‘money only’ jobs, like bankers and insurance agents plus many many more, would be available for real work that contributes. Thus, we would have a workforce unparalleled to help build this new sustainable world. There wouldn’t be any lack of people to do anything.

There would be much LESS to do, though, since most of the things we do today, we only do to serve the monetary system and not because we really enjoy doing it. Even without extra technology, we would have much more leisure time than we have today.

So, let’s imagine that money vanished TODAY, but that all the things and technology we have was still there to use, and all the people wanted this change.

What would you do with your life? What would happen with your profession? What would come instead?

Would you go on a holiday?

Would you contribute to society in some way?

Would you enjoy yourself?

What would you do?

How will it work?

I am looking forward to all the comments on this post. Together they will be a small proof that RBE will work. And the more proof we get, the closer we get to RBE.

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  1. For work id like to contribute to farming and the production of food, i work in freight forwarding so i might be suited to the distribution of Resources & Supplies. I would also like to learn new things and help out where ever the need dictates. In my Leisure time id like to spend time cultivating my own family and expand my knowledge and practice being more spiritual using meditation, Yoga and other ways to expand my conscious like Tai Chi. Id like to take time to visit other cultures and take yearly holiday breaks. possibly taking part in some kind of adventure holiday.

  2. I wanna do some things that grouped in some category
    for fun: do any wacky things, eat all variety of food, adventuring, just experience the world.
    help people: distributing food, teaching orphans, anything to contribute to the society which I can’t do now cuz I need my time to create money to live.
    And perhaps I’ll research on what REALLY make people happy. 🙂

  3. Personally I think there is a transition period between the Resourced Based Economy and the Monetary System of the currant system.

    It is called a Distributed Economy, or a Open Source Economy.
    This is where things like Copyrights, Patents and, the Corporate Structure have been done away with.

    In such an economy all large projects would have to be carried out by by cooperatives such as you see with open source coding. All wealth is taken away from the corporation, and put in the hands of small working groups, with community sourced resources.

    Small local needs are carried out by local providers.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Economies

  4. Existing volunteer work produces some models of the ideas you’re talking about, esp those agencies where food is provided and volunteers are allowed a degree of scope to channel their energies into projects desirable for all parties (client and volunteer) and protest movements afford all sorts of opportunities to build ideas and contribute to a whole. that is what makes them fun and hence supported.

    ultimately a resource based economy is a genius alternative to the system we now see beginning to slide away from us.We do not need to attack it so much as begin building anew. there is plenty that is useful in that old structure that we can recycle and adapt to new structures and patterns that we develop..

    Yet I’m curious, (which is only one step away from concerned), about transition – how that might work; whether it occurs in a rapid transition or it is something we gradually accept and adopt over period of activity (time will probably recede without money)

    I suppose all the conversations that we have with each other will enable a substantial part of the transformation to occur..but managing resistance and confusion could be quite consuming.. I look forward to it, the challenge and adventure of it and have been thinking and talking about regularly.

    We’ll see how much momentum we can generate.. thank you

    1. Yes, I have mentioned the volunteer movement as a ‘predecessor’ to a resource based economy in a couple of articles, so I agree with you about that. I think there are many ‘signs’ of a resource based economy already in our global society. Both online (Wikipedia, etc.) and offline in many forms. Truth is that most people would actually do what they do now without any monetary reward. And if their present job is meaningless to them, they would do something else supporting society in some way. This shows from this article and poll: www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/11/will-you-do-the-job-you-have-today-without-money/

      This poll is of course not representative for the whole world, but still. When one think about it, money is actually only a small part of the reason people do things. Yes, many people are forced to take on jobs because they need money, still, they would gladly do other meaningful tasks without money if they could. Many others have jobs they actually enjoy, like scientists, artists, writers, film makers, doctors, nurses, dentists, etc. etc. Very many people do what they do, not for monetary reasons, but for self fulfilling ones, and to be a help to others and society.

      If I were to guess, I would think that a resource based economy would start slowly, with a few people beginning to share freely with each other, with larger and larger groups joining in, until this way of thought and life simply out conquers the monetary system. In the story of this, politicians, legislators, companies and corporations will also be ‘sold’ on this and gradually start to endorse it.

      After all, the resource based economy already exist as I see it. It is here in society, working, every day, everywhere, but we don’t see it, because we are blinded by money and profit. When I say that ‘it is here’, I mean that, resources IS taken into account, every day, they HAS to, or else we would have run out a long time ago. And people DO word for other reasons than monetary. Even when there is a trade, which there is millions of every day in our world, there is a sharing going on. One person/company is giving something to someone else, and the other one is giving something back in return. The only difference in rbe, is that the one you give to is not necessarily the one that will give back to you. No, in rbe, you will get back from anyone and everyone all the time, including the ‘whole of society’ and the technology and machines we have made to work for us.

      So, when people realize that money and profit is only blurring the act of giving and sharing itself, and that it would simplify everything to simply just skip it, skip money and profit, then that is the moment when the world will start to change.

      There might be riots and uprisings around the world, there might be bloodshed. But I think this transition has already started. And as one research has said; It takes a long time for an opinion to reach critical mass in a population, but as soon as the opinion has reached critical mass, it doesn’t take long before the opinion is adopted by the whole population. They said critical mass is 10%, while other say it is much less. I don’t know. In any case, I think they are right. We will see a steady incline of people believing in and acting out RBE, and eventually, it will break through, and then it is bye bye to money and greed. I hope. 🙂

  5. Hi my name is Evan and I wanted to answer the question “what do we do with our lives without money”?, It’s a new world after all… I think I found an answer. It’s that we do not enjoy doing simply “nothing”. Of course people enjoy relaxing, but who wants to “relax” all day, for days on end? No one can do nothing for days on end and enjoy it. You will always want to do something (even if that thing is relaxing) and that something will most likely be productive in one way or another. People like doing things together so you get group activities and we like to be productive so you get allot of people working together on one thing at one point. From that perspective I find that people are “Wired” to enjoy life and work together, given the right circumstances or of free will. Well with that, see you and have a good day.

  6. I’m a security specialist/reverse engineer in my profession. I know systems, applications, electronics from the inside out.

    I do have a passion outside this area, and that is growing things and efficient alternative energy sources. So, in my spare time I spend a lot of time on merging these areas. Aeroponics, automated house climate control etc. In a RBE, I’d like to spend my time in large scale projects within these areas. Knowing one is provided for by the RBE, the results of the project and knowig that many thousands, perhaps millions, will benefit from what we build will be the great reward!

    My friends and I are building a PoC on Aeroponics, growing tomatoes and strawberries…including automated pollination!! (Since it is grown indoors)

    1. Wow. This is really really interesting. And thank you for your input, and for understanding and believing in RBE! We get too much negative stuff here. So many people who can’t see how it can work. I’m glad you’re not one of them. I’ve never heard about aeroponics before. Hydroponics and aquaponics, yes. Luckily I got enlightened from Wikipedia: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD_MT-aPMh8

  7. “What would YOU do in a Resource Based Economy?”

    I would hide out in the hills with my family, guns, gold, and other resources until the Communist regime collapsed.

  8. Okay…to whomever it was that said that no one will be motivated to do anything unless there is money involved…

    First off, I disagree. I paint, but I never paint for the money. I often give away my paintings to others for free. I don’t sell my paintings because I feel it would destroy the meaning of art. I feel that art is meant to be free. It is the job of an artist to show a certain perspective, to show the truth that everyone has the right to know. To sell my paintings, i feel, would totally destroy the meaning of art and what it stands for.

    And to say that everyone is motivated by money may be true to some extent these days, but I find it slightly insulting when one says that I would paint only for the money. A lot of us youths aren’t like that.

    Technology is meant to liberate people so that people can explore and we have to means to let technology do the mundane stuff. If we didn’t have to work at McDonald’s serving toxic fat to people, or working in ore mines and such, we’d have a lot of free time do pursue our dreams and do what we want to see in the world. A lot of people are motivated to do things, to learn. A big reason why we don’t is because we know we aren’t able to because of financial issues. So we feel stuck, and we get depressed and bored with our daily lives and thus begin to seek entertainment. I’ve seen kids in action when they are presented with something that has to do with real life events or hands on experience. I’ve seen the most lazy student in the back of the class perk up when teachers would talk about certain things in biology or physics.

    I’ve spoken to many youths my age younger and older, and a lot of them tell me that they don’t get money. They ask why we can’t just simply do stuff that is needed to be done in the world. Why all these protocols, regulations, and rules? A lot of them feel like money has ruined their lives, their relationships with their friends, family, etc. And yes, money, capitalism has helped us progress in many ways, but is it helping us still? Times change, and things are definitely not what they use to be 10, 20, 30 years ago. In fact, we often hear from our parents the “good old days” when things were “different.”

    And also, a bit about hunter gatherer tribe:. I once saw this documentary of these tribal elders from Africa in New York City. They said that we westerners are very poor. No trees, no green growing things that grow food. They say that we have nothing but the slips of paper we call dollars, and we know nothing about the bare basics such as growing food, hunting, and such. These people happen to only work about 20 hours a week and are quite content with their lives. The rest is free play. They consider themselves wealthy and affluent because they have everything they need, all the knowledge and the bare basic necessities to live. Here in this society, we work about 40 -60 hours, and yet many of us still don’t have enough food to feed ourselves. Scientists are starting to become very concerned over the health of children in the US, since many children in the US are going to bed hungry believe it or not. We pay so much for rent, food, bills, insurance, and other things that we are “required” to have. Hell…might as well be homeless. College students are finding that jobs are difficult to find. We graduate with our whole life ahead of is, and then we live like it’s the end of our youth.

    And we all know the horrors of free market and it’s advertising/ television brainwashing and the overly inflated entertainment industry as a result. I don’t even watch TV anymore.

    We have to ask ourselves, that despite all the wonders of this system we currently have in place, what does wealth really mean. Is it only restricted to the dollars? What does it mean to be truly productive and what is it to be truly affluent?

    Sorry for my rant, but I just had to say what I wanted to say in response to the idea that humans are just lazy and that money is supposedly the prime motivator to do anything.

  9. If a Resource Based Economy started today. I would want to join a group or a team that can help people who are not too familiar with a RBE and make their transition easier. If I could change any persons values towards property ownership, materialism, and letting go there ego would help them transition to a RBE, this would help society in the long run. I would like to attend a university and learn about new construction techniques that will help build new sustainable cities. Learn as much about renewable energy & recycling. I would urge everyone to educate themselves in any field that would help contribute to society in the future. Of course I would love to travel to different cities and countries, exercise and eat more healthy. In a RBE i can probably do all this in one day. For the first time in my life, I can actually feel what it’s like to be truly free. The Monetary system in enslaves humanity. Let’s take the shackles off.

    1. Hi Peter

      I am amazed to read that because as I read it it gave words to what I would do in a RBE.

      I would also like to learn as much as I can about renewable energy, how to grow food, learn from different wiser cultures

      And this…..:
      “I would want to join a group or a team that can help people who are not too familiar with a RBE and make their transition easier. If I could change any persons values towards property ownership, materialism, and letting go there ego would help them transition to a RBE, this would help society in the long run”.

      …..is exactly what I want to find in short terms.

      I wish you a great day and want to thank you for your comment!

  10. Hey

    I’m quite glad I found this site.
    I was always convinced that common sense and responsibility toward the well-being of the mates in your community is stronger than any legal binding.
    Together with the RBE and the common value system it will change our fear driven society significantly. From the ‘negative value life’ were the biggest incentive is a struggle with supplying our needs to the life of creativity, discovery and knowledge.

    My aim is to develop my life in a self sufficient (money less) way. Using my free will or a time unite as a trading currency as a product of which will be my knowledge and my work out of understanding of necessity for it.
    (I will do that because I know it has to be done for the good of ours, or I will change a one hour of my life working for you, if you give me yours)

    People often object that the society of such a freedom will collapse into anarchy or to a limitless hunt for pleasure. But I thing that if the fear is removed from a man, he will find himself as a member of community with his job, passions, and dreams to be fulfilled.

  11. Casual agreements are not contracts.

    Contracts provide for legal recourse… I said nothing about FINANCIAL penalties, though that is often the means that is used… but also used is property.

    And no. Contracts are NOT merely “reminders”. They are BINDING, by threat of penalty and legal remedy.

    There are NO contracts that allow one to simply walk away, having failed to fulfill your obligation that I know of: Marriage.

    Contracts made “on a handshake” are still common enough… that they exist is not at all the point… It is that the formal contract has proven to have immense utility that can not be ignored, nor can anyone expect that once ended, “handshake” contracts will fully step in to fill the void.

    And of course this is tied to the ability to be productive.

    Since you can work or not at a whim in RBE, there is little to guarantee that you will continue to toil in the mines to produce the metals we need for social production. Without the ability to well predict the future actions of others, we have to assume failures, and build in contingency plans for all manner of failures, which is highly inefficient.

    I understand that you are claiming people will simply be different… we will all do the right things, when we become wildly affluent… but why wouldn’t anyone see that as nothing more than wishful thinking?

    You offer no actual contracts in RBE, as there is no recourse for breaking them. No fines, no jail time, no loss of property… but EVEN IF THERE WERE penalties of some sort… then it would be meaningless, since in RBE there is never any reason to enter a contract… you have everything you need… and would only represent exposing yourself to the danger of penalty…

    So even if you dig ore today… you know you can walk away tomorrow at NO cost to you, regardless of the damage done to the lines of social production.

  12. Hello again, my friend.

    You see the whole world with ‘capitalist’ goggles. And then it is really difficult to have this discussion.

    Firstly, we are talking about a whole new paradigm. A total shift in human consciousness and values. We can not discuss this as long as you only see it from the ‘old world’ perspective. Besides, you are even not seeing the obvious ‘RBGE phenomena’ in the world we have, like the vast amount of voluntarism that already exists, that you even mention yourself.

    And you say that ‘contracts will be futile in RBE’, since there would be no ‘penalty’. You think contracts only work because there is a possible monetary ‘penalty’? I have written many contracts in my life. And the purpose of the contract is only to have on paper what you agreed upon, so that one can remind each other of that, if forgotten. And, of course there are economic penalties in contracts, but far from all. And by law, in theory, all agreements are just as valid if they are oral or written.

    Agreements doesn’t always have to evolve around money or property. All volunteers around the world, for instance, have agreements with their employers. And yes, there can still be employers is RBGE. And agreements. And there will definitely be penalties, also in RBGE.

    Your statement about contracts in RBE “I will do this for you, right up to the point where I don’t want to do it any more.” is just as valid TODAY. This is how contracts and agreements work all the time, and has always done. We all agree on something at some point, and then at some other point, we don’t want to do it anymore. EVEN THOUGH you have a written agreement, dealing with someone who doesn’t want to uphold it is often times very inconvenient, depending on the contract, to try and uphold it. In any case it is a hassle. But, as you say, the only reason why such contracts are upheld, is that there is some kind of monetary loss involved. Still, having a person at work (if that’s what the contract is about), doing nothing, is no point. He might as well go home, even though the contract say’s otherwise.

    In RBE, a contract would never be upheld for monetary reasons, since there is no money, but for other, more valuable, honorable and sustainable reasons.

    If you agree with a friend to meet him or her somewhere at a certain time to have a coffee, will your only reason to keep your agreement be that if you don’t meet up, you will have to pay him/her money? No. You will try to keep your appointment for several reasons, besides money. This should be pretty obvious, but as soon as we talk about removing money from the equation, people get’s totally messed up in their heads.

    Now. We have agreements TODAY for many reasons, besides money. You will keep your agreement with your friend, because, if you don’t, you will

    1. miss out on a good time,
    2. your friend might get mad at you,
    3. you might get a bad reputation,
    4. you might loose your friend if you keep being late or a no show,
    5. you’ll be left alone in this world,
    6. if you have an ounce of empathy, you might feel bad for your friend that you stood up.

    That was the fear based reasons, now for the ‘love’ based, positive ones. You will keep your appointment, because

    7. you like to be a man of your word, because ‘that’s who you are’,
    8. you will likely have a good time,
    9. you might meet other interesting people,
    10. you like drinking coffe with your friend,

    to mention a few ‘non monetary’ reasons.

    And no, I don’t think people will be biased against productivity if there is no money. Far from it. There is already a lot of productivity going on WITHOUT any monetary gain. You confirm this yourself. It is an illusion (the illusion ‘they’ want you to believe) that we only want leisure and sex all the time. Even if you did have ‘all the time in the world’ you would still want to do SOMETHING MEANINGFUL! No one would be able to have sex 24/7, and no one, trust me, would want to ‘lie on a beach every day’.

    You say that in RBE people would “be as likely to do non-productive things as productive ones.”. Well, people are just as likely to do non-productive things as productive ones TODAY, and they ARE. Millions of people are only keeping meaningless, unproductive jobs, just to go home and play X Box. And do you really think what bank employees, store clerks, insurance agents, tax collectors, advertising executives, stock brokers does is PRODUCTIVE?? The monetary system has created the MOST UNPRODUCTIVE work force ever existing on the planet. Millions of people are spending their time on activities that are totally meaningless and unproductive in a resource based economic perspective. What these people do is to only uphold and perpetuate the Monetary System. Nothing else. They offer absolutely nothing in terms of productivity towards a sustainable future for humanity.

    What IS productive, though, is people doing farming, doctors, musicians and artists, engineers, researches, scientists, and all other people who are ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING to society.

    The point is, again, that when we remove money, we WOULD have a lot more time on our hands. Time that I am 1.000.000% sure will be spent in the following ways: leisure, sex, travel, PRODUCTIVITY, and more. Yes, it is in Man’s nature to be productive.

    You say trade is what has spurred the world we have today. Of course, you are right. It has spurred polluting mega cities, poverty, wars, financial crisises, drought, famine, religious wars, trade wars, over exploitation of the planet’s resources, killing of a whole lot of people and animals, displacing indigenous people, polluting the atmosphere, polluting the waters, a whole bunch of diseases that never existed before, huge differences between people, and much much more stuff that is not pleasant for any of us.

    What would a world spurred by the NATURAL PRODUCTIVITY OF MAN look like, with no monetary gain and no huge ego gratification, but with collaboration and cooperation? It would have looked more like this: Non-polluting transportation, decentralized decision making, respect for all people, environmentally friendly housing, a careful management of the planet’s resources, true caring about each other, a closeness to nature, lot’s of leisure time for everyone and plenty of stuff to use it on, and much much more stuff that is very pleasant for all of us.

    And if you say that ‘trade’ is a part of the natural productivity of man, I disagree. The ‘trade’ that we have experienced on this planet is a part of a deceiving of humanity that has been going on for several millennia. ‘Someone’ has been trying to control the human race by ‘divide and conquer’, and by blinding us from what is really important, by saying that ‘money’ is what is important, not nature, not community, not equality, not sharing and giving, not careful and respectful treatment of each other and the resources of this planet. The media is constantly pumping out disinformation to subdue people and to uphold this ‘trade’, hypnotizing people to buy more more more more more more! This is not who we really are. This is made up by someone who have an interest in doing so.

    The only ‘trade’ that is the natural tendency of Man is the ‘trade’ of giving and sharing, and ‘paying it forward’. We CAN have a society like this. We only have to wake up from a deep sleep that has lasted for several millennia.

    In fact, I would say that we already TODAY, have a 50% resource based gift economy on the planet. Giving and sharing is a large part of the life’s of millions of people. We are supporting each other in many ways all the time, with no reciprocal agreements.

    And this happens on all levels, from rich filantrops, giving millions in aid, and foreign aid programs of countries, to the gift giving between friends, be it buying coffe or helping with building a barn.

    I’d say we are doing the RBGE thing in a large degree already.

    What The Venus Project (www.thevenusproject.com) proposes, though, is to go even further. To go look at what we can REALLY do, when we wake up to the reality that already exists between us. The reality of a moneyless society. We have, as said, a moneyless society in a very large degree already. The point of RBGE is just to extend that to all of the society.

    The world as we know it won’t last very much longer. We are at peak oil, and the financial systems we have on the planet has proven not to work anymore. Whole countries are going bankrupt, and this is even something that is inherit in the system. With the systems we have, the fractional banking system, unlimited growth, free market, stock exchange, and more, combined with the greed produced by these systems, the world is doomed to collaps. It can not hold up indefinitely. It can not be sustainable.

    We HAVE to find another system. And not just a system, but a whole new set of values to go with it.

    So, please be with this new possible direction, rather than against it.

    It is your choice. You can be a doomsday prophet, saying that it will never work, or you can be an optimist, a creator, aiming to make it work.

    What’s your choice?

    This is not only a question to you, my friend, but to all of Humanity.

  13. “So you think everyone want’s to be porn stars…? I don’t think so.”

    You need to not intentionally misstate someone’s beliefs, or they won’t take you seriously.

    I said, right at the top: “Money is preventing millions of people from becoming porn stars. That is very much the point.”

    Had I meant everyone, I would have said “everyone”.

    You do know what “the oldest profession” is, I assume. This should give you a strong sense about how widespread this kind of thing would be. Tiger Woods… one of the richest men to have ever existed, used his money to become a “porn star” of sorts, outside of RBE. He bought women, who were professional porn stars, to do the nasty with him.

    But of course, this misses the point. The point is that people will be attracted to things that have nothing to do with productivity, and unless robots will be doing almost everything that needs to be done (including making and repairing robots), then this is going nowhere. Race car drivers and porn stars (or their productive equivalents).

    You slightly misstate my “perspective”

    “without money people won’t do anything needed in the world.”

    and

    “You think money is the only motivation humans have to do anything.”

    That is VERY different from my thinking. I KNOW people will do what is needed, with or without money, which is human history. We always do what is needed.

    We just don’t do it well without *trade* (because trade creates wealth from thin air)

    AND

    Trade is lubricated by the use of money.

    Systems that promote trade have let to the greatest creation of wealth in human history. I should hope that nobody disputes this for a second.

    Now of course this is not to say that it can not be beaten by another system… but with apologies to Churchill: Capitalism is the worst form of economic system, except all of the others that have been tried.

    But what you are trying to get at, with regard to my position, is that I believe that when people no longer have needs that are not met, then they will lose direction…. or in other words, be as likely to do non-productive things as productive ones. And perhaps worse… since productive things generally require stressful effort, people will likely be biased against productive activity, toward activity that places little demand on them.

    That is also our history, as well as our biology.

    I *don’t* believe that money motivates people. I think that the need to avoid pain and to gain pleasure is what motivates us. Money is just material wealth in liquid form. We don’t want money, otherwise we would keep it. The fact is, we convert it to goods about as fast as we can. We don’t want money. We want material wealth… because with it, we can avoid pain, and gain pleasure.

    I’m sure you understand this.

    The entire reason for RBE is the human motivation to avoid pain, and to gain pleasure.

    The basic argument for RBE is: With RBE, we will avoid the pain of capitalist society, and gain the pleasure of abundance.

    Of course there is the question: Will it deliver?

    So you do say there will be contracts…

    In RBE, what would be the point?

    Let’s examine that, because I think it is important.

    Agreements can be broken. The point of a contract is to strengthen agreements by making the agreement clear, AND provide for penalties in the case the agreement is broken by either party.

    In RBE, dare I ask what form the penalty might be for failure to meet the terms of a contract?

    If there is any penalty at all, then why would anybody enter a contract ever, when all of their needs are met?

    To avoid the possible pain of a penalty, they would avoid contracts.

    Therefore, there can be no contracts in RBE, unless you use coercive force, as far as I can see… perhaps you can set me straight there.

    If there is no penalty for breaking a contract, then there is no contract… any agreement you can make then break at will has no meaning: “I will do this for you, right up to the point where I don’t want to do it any more.” You would agree that such an agreement has no utility.

    I agree that we have the weight of indoctrination with is… for good reason. Memory (which history and institutions are a form of) is important for survival. If you can’t remember which path leads to wolves and which leads home, you are less likely to survive.

    It is important to remember what works.

    History and indoctrination is just that. I am not saying it is perfect, any more than my personal memory is perfect. Sometimes memory fails to tell us the right thing, but as long as it is better than no memory at all, then it is good we have it.

    There is a great song by called Donald Fagen called “IGY”, which I love as a vision:

    On that train, all graphite and glitter
    Undersea by rail
    90 minutes from New York to Paris
    (More leisure for artists everywhere)
    Trust machines to make big decisions
    Programmed by fellas with compassion and vision
    We’ll be clean when their work is done
    We’ll be eternally free, yes, and eternally young

    This is a vision of technology, safely detached from humanity, a shining vision to inspire, but not a world for us… the pain free, pleasure filled world.

    Brilliantly, the claim is that this world built by our hands will make us clean, free and young… eternally.

    Beautifully overstated.

    You say “We can” and “We could” quite a lot…

    But talking about what is possible says nothing about its likelihood. I *can* win the lottery… but I probably won’t.

    What is missing from RBE discussion, in my view, is presentation of the basic mechanics that cause a new stability.

    I could say things like “With RBE, we could give everyone as much time off as they want. With RBE, we could end disease. With RBE we could travel faster than light.

    A laundry list of claims, minus the description of the horsepower *behind* the claims, make the claims ring hollow.

    But all of this is easily proven.

    It seems to me that a small RBE (or RBGE) experiment can be run, where RBE is used, in part, isolated inside of any other society. You build an “economic island”, and then see if it will run.

    It would be done by creating an interface to isolate the RBE group from the rest of the world.

    Since RBE is a distribution model, then the RBE group can describe any distribution that they want, and select which part of the distribution that they wish to participate in.

    For example, pretend that this RBE experimental group decides to produce electrical wire. The world of the future will require electrical wire, and lots of it.

    The RBE group will then be the “wire producing” part of the world. They will deliver the wire they produce to an intermediary group, that will take the wire, in exchange for everything that the RBE group needs. The intermediary acts as “the rest of the RBE world”. This intermediary then brings the wire to someone outside of RBE that needs wire, sold for money. The intermediary agrees to provide all of the things that the RBE team needs and gives it to them, acting as the RBE distribution arm.

    This way, the RBE team never has to trade, or use money. Things magically come from the RBE intermediary, as they are needed, and the RBE team produces wire.

    Any system that is introduced into capitalism that is more efficient, than other systems, is automatically more healthy.

    The RBE experimental group, fully free of crime, money, and material need, should now be more efficient than any other group performing that same task in the outside world. This greater efficiency guarantees their ability to remain operating.

    All that is needed are RBE volunteers… to act both as the RBE team, and the intermediary group.

    Would you be willing to organize/participate in this?

  14. Correct. Money is preventing millions of people from becoming porn stars. That is very much the point.

    I submit that a world filled largely with porn stars, will be a world about to die. That activity does not sustain civilization.

    The point is, that SOME mechanism must exist to direct human potential to where it is needed, NOT to where people are attracted to go.

    In a free trade society, an excess of porn stars = competition. People will choose to watch those that do it better, in exactly the way that people choose movies with good acting. Movies with bad acting LOSE money, and by that means, help to prevent those same people from continuing in that manner. The reason is that the disapproval for the acting is expressed in inadequate levels of trade to sustain those that did it. To sustain themselves, they must either improve their acting (quality), or work in some other way entirely where the value they add (as measured by others), provides them with trade adequate to sustain them.

    In a society where nothing discourages people from doing that which is not needed, or is not needed in the quantities delivered, like 10,000 food critics for a single restaurant when one or two will do… then that society is in real trouble.

    RBE must show such a mechanism, or else the “resources” stop coming. And fast.

    1. So you think everyone want’s to be porn stars…? I don’t think so.

      In any case, the reason we disagree is that we view this thing from different perspectives. You view it from a perspective that says that ‘without money people won’t do anything needed in the world’.

      I view it from a complete opposite perspective. Even WITH money, people want’s to do things that are fulfilling for them. If you don’t want to become a porn star, you don’t. With or without money.

      If you don’t want to be a garbage disposal person, you won’t. With or without money.

      That said, in an ‘updated’ society, we wouldn’t need any garbage disposal persons. We would have found technological solutions to our garbage, if we produce any garbage at all, that is.

      I do get you point. You think money is the only motivation humans have to do anything. I disagree.

      Do you sit here and write because of money? Do you become rich from this? I think not. You do it for other reasons than money. And so do I. I do it because I think RBGE is a great idea that have the potential to get humanity out of the hole it has dug for itself through the past millennia.

      The truth is that money is not that important for us at all. There have been done plenty of research that confirms this. Money only works as a motivation to do ‘mindless jobs’, and those jobs are easily automated with today’s technology.

      When you look around the world, you see that there is heaps of work being done ‘for free’, because people want to do it, as you confirm yourself. And this is not due to capitalism, as said. This is due to the inherit want in all people to do something meaningful together with others.

      I am not saying that there will be no contracts or agreements in RBGE. Quite the contrary. We will still have agreements on what to do, where to do it, how to do it, and who does it. Of course.

      The only difference is that we have cut out money, and started concentrating ourselves on what is important in life. On what produces true sustainability.

      Your mindset is weighted down from millennia of indoctrination from the monetary system. It is this mindset we all have to free us from if we are to see tomorrow.

      I working on that with my self every day. I also have trouble seeing how we can live without money. I still see, though, that doing that could resolve a huge host of problems we have in our society and on this planet today.

      The conclusion is that people are not as motivated by money as you think. Everyone want’s to do something that is meaningful and contribute to society. If one doesn’t have those aspirations, I would say that something is wrong with that person.

      We can today automate most tasks still done manually in most factories. At the same time we could free people to have a lot more time with their families, no stress, no hassle, and only the struggle one puts on oneself.

      I know there are millions of products today in the world. And it is difficult to see what will happen with those. Will they still be produced? Will we still need them? It should be pretty clear that many products won’t be needed. And again, many might not be produced. We might start focussing on what we really need, as humans. Not what the monetary machinery need.

      For there is no doubt that most of what is created and produced in the world today is done so to serve the monetary system. To bring profit to the companies. To sustain jobs and give surplus to the owners. It is not done primarily to give humans better lives. If there is no profit in it, but ‘only’ serves humans, animals and the environment on the planet, it is much less likely to be done. With the monetary system this is the continuous struggle we have. Money or environment. Profit or people.

      It is difficult to imagine what a society with RBGE will be like, so I don’t blame you for criticizing it. Still, it is something worth investigating. All new ‘inventions’ were unimaginable before they were invented. We never thought we could fly. No one could foresee the internet, the cellphone, microwave ovens, flat screens. Even electricity, that we now take for granted, was impossible to imagine before they actually demonstrated it.

      And it must be said that a lot, if not most, of the inventions we use today was not invented because of money. Inventors and creative people are generally not business men. They do what they do out of an inherent urge and interest in what they do. Einstein, Tesla, Edison and the likes did countless hours of work, not for money, but for the benefit of Humanity. Of course many inventors patent their inventions, but that’s only because we have this predatory monetary system in the world. Without it, patents would not be needed, and all inventions would be ‘open source’, free for anyone to develop further.

      And with a prevailing mindset that say’s ‘sharing, collaboration and contribution’, rather than ‘profit maximizing, exploitation and competition’, we could take all the inventions that truly work and develop them faster than ever before. Without corporations hoarding patents and stopping development, we could change this world in a matter of months. If all inventors, researchers and scientists were given all possible opportunity to solve all possible problems and develop all possible functioning inventions, the world would not look the same in only a couple of years. Most pollution would have been gone, wars would be pointless, there would have been plenty of tasks to join in on, the oceans would have been cleaned up, soil erosion would be a thing of the past.

      To imagine RBGE, we have to picture a world without money, banks, loans, taxes, insurance and debt. We have to see a world where we people have started thinking anew, within a new paradigm. A paradigm where money is not running the world, but need, necessity, interest, compassion, love and freedom are the basic premises.

      We have to picture a society where most people are not blinded by bling bling, but want’s to be closer to our origins, the nature that have given birth to us. In this world all necessary tasks will still be done, like in a family where someone makes the dinner, someone takes out the trash, someone cleans the house and someone paints the porch. Why do we do those things? Because they are meaningful.

      Actually, doing practical chores are a hundred times more meaningful that filling out forms, counting money, suing each other, paying bills, doing taxes, apply for loans, pay debt, trade, invest, get RIO, take losses, gamble, and so on.

      And, again, as you yourself are pointing out, there are millions of people all over the world doing stuff for free. Why are they doing it? Again, because it is meaningful. It can’t be because of money, since there’s nothing there. They do it because it is fulfilling in some way.

      And there are people doing stuff for free in absolutely all disciplines you could think of. From agriculture to software development, from massage therapists to doctors, from anthropologists to botanists to geologists. As it turns out, money is not the reason they do their stuff. As long as the pay is adequate and their standard of living is high, people do what they do out of interest, concern, self realization and fulfillment.

      So, is it so hard to imagine that if we simply abandoned money, the world would still go round? We could merge all now competing companies to produce the absolutely best possible laptops, cellphones, cars, planes, trains and what have you. Personally, I would jump with joy the day this happens, and gladly do any of the needed chores in this ‘new economy’. And I don’t think I am alone.

      And this is exactly the reason why I started this website. So that we can, together, try to imagine what RBGE can be like. I don’t mind nay sayers like you. At least you get us to think harder.

      We are far from there, imagining RBGE in our minds, but we’re getting there. Thank you for your collaboration, being the opposite in the dichotomy.

      1. I think we can safely say, after my previous comment, that PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO GO WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED, at least if they have half a brain and are not 100% stuck in their egos. Just look at a group of people building a barn together, for instance. And I am not talking about that they are doing it for money. No, they do it as volunteers, which is pretty common around the world, as you should know.

        Then, you don’t find 10 people hammering the same nail or painting the same board because ‘that’s what they want to do’. No, people ask the construction manager where they might be needed, and go there. Or, they might even know what to do from experience of building barns and simply fill out an empty spot in the construction work.

        And if they don’t like building barns, they won’t show up. They will find something else to volunteer in. RBGE will be a volunteer society, and I think it will work a whole lot better than the monetary system we have today.

        I don’t know if you have any experience with volunteer work. If you do you should know that people do it 1. For free. 2. For the company of other people. 3. For the fulfillment. 4. To make some new friends, maybe. and 5. To see the results and celebrate with others. There are tons of reasons why people do work for free. It is simply fulfilling and meaningful to collaborate in creating and building something with others. Then, imagine creating and building this whole new world together!

        And in volunteer work, you are considered a ‘cry baby’ if you only want to do what you want to do, and nothing of what you are told or what is needed. Then you might as well go home.

        Of course, in a RBGE society we will have most use for people who actually want’s to do something, just like today. Only, we could put all the people who want’s to contribute to society to good work, instead of having a lot of them struggling with several pointless jobs, just to pay pointless loans and pointless bills.

        I hope I am starting to make a point here…. 🙂

  15. Now, with the post below, I examine how a “resource based” economy would start from square 1. Now before anyone reminds me that RBE is about a *transition* from a modern economy, to RBE, I will now consider a brief scenario from a transition standpoint.

    Were we to do a transition… and as happens here, I am asked what I would provide, free, as a gift to *maintain* society post money, let me offer this:

    I predict that most people would contribute their services as porn stars, movie critics, and restaurant critics.

    I say this with EVERY seriousness.

    I would become a porn star tomorrow, and as a sideline, would become a restaurant critic in my off hours.

    I predict that MOST people would do precisely this, and if not this, something so similar as to be socially indistinguishable. They would become race car drivers and movie critics, etc. etc. etc.

    The challenge before us is to prove:

    1 – nothing at all like this would happen. People would continue to take our trash, fix broken cars/buses/trains, dig in mines, wash windows, assemble iphones etc. etc. all in generally the same proportion as now.

    *or*

    2 – Society could survive in a world made up mostly of, porn stars, race car drivers, and movie and food critics.

    If we can’t address either 1 or 2, then there is no hope of a transition to RBE.

    Like I said I ***would*** become a porn star tomorrow in RBE. No joke. And a movie and food critic just for fun…

    This is the challenge.

    My prediction is that, as a result of this discussion, we will become literally AMAZED with capitalism, and how impressively it solves an endless array of problems that we totally take for granted.

    Next up: a proposal to test RBE *inside* a host capitalist society. I think it can be done.

    Best regards,

    1. You can become a porn star tomorrow without RBE, my friend, and be a food and movie critic on the side. What’s stopping you? Money?

  16. As I mention elsewhere in your blog, America almost didn’t happen.

    BTW, people already do LOTS of free things, and do so especially in a Capitalist society.

    This is why capitalism is such a miracle. It produces SO much wealth, SO efficiently, there is excess human potential that is spontaneously given away. Look at Google Earth and all of the other free Google tools. The West also gives FAR more worldwide, especially America.

    We don’t get food from North Korea, or Africa, or Cuba… they get it from us. Very often, for free. We are THE most giving on the planet in total terms… and this is only because we are Capitalist.

    America ALMOST didn’t happen, however. The earliest settlers at Plymouth Colony organized themselves without money or property. Gov. William Bradford kept a diary of the disaster that cooperative arrangement arrangement brought. Many died.

    Eventually, Bradford issued land to each household as their property, and that each individual and household should work for themselves, and not a cooperative arrangement.

    “This had very good success,” Bradford wrote, “for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been. By this time harvest was come, and instead of famine, now God gave them plenty, and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many.”

    “The Tragedy of the Commons” is very well known, and very well understood.

    No group that tries it will get ahead. Many groups that try it will disintegrate or perish.

    This is old news… tried many times, and is a concrete lesson of history.

    Capitalism is, by far, the best system thus devised.

    Now, this means to me, that another system should be possible, as we all agree that no system is perfect.

    So we can and should discuss how other ideas might work, and if there is a means to an economy of distributed control (not top down), that does not have money, then I am very willing to look at it.

    Let us talk in terms of giving.

    What do you have to give in such a society?

    Do you have property?

    If you don’t, then you have nothing to give but the labor that comes from your body.

    Let’s see how that might work.

    Let’s make an iPhone in this society.

    You can begin by digging in the dirt. You offer to dig, for free, and present from the earth, much ore that contains titanium, silicon, aluminum, silica, copper, gold, and you even provide crude oil needed for the plastic. And there it sits.

    Who will take it to the next step?

    Will you keep digging ore? You may get bored with it only a day or so, and decide to move on… taking your experience (such as it is) with you.

    In other words, it was not a “job” per se. Just something you did for awhile before you went off to do some painting of seascapes or something.

    Now we see… a problem with predictable lines of production.

    You were not in any contract (promise) to continue to provide the ore necessary… so you stopped. Even if we had other people that volunteered to take your meager ore gift… they are now shut down. Of course someone else could decide do dig for ore, but there is little chance that they are near where you were… so they dig ore half a world away, where the material is not needed.

    So here we see a major problem. No promises… because there are no contracts… the result is a massive disruption in any effort… coming from any of a thousand steps required in producing our iphone… those that made the furnaces to take metal from the ores, or those that knew how to purify it.

    When living in a gift society… you have the same problem. Will you have food tomorrow? If you are relying on a gift of food, will you get it? This uncertainty would be horrifying. You would not be thinking about digging for ore tomorrow. You would be thinking about food. All of your efforts would go into *securing* food for today, and the next, and the next. Anyone that experiences hunger for even a SINGLE day, would instantly rearrange their priorities around food. EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD STOP.

    So it seems to me, that you need CONTRACTS (promises), and therefore a means to compel people to adhere to them.

    Do you see a way around this?

    Would you agree to a written promise, to give something to somebody… every day, for, say, a given period of time, so that they could plan their activities?

    “I promise to give you meals, every day, for a month”. That way, they can work for a month, without fear of starvation, focused on their task.

    But if you don’t have property, then how can you make such a promise?

    Best regards.

  17. There’s a reply to the below comment underneath it. The commenter below has a ‘glass half empty’ rather than ‘glass half full’ perspective on life. You might be interested in reading the reply to the comment.

    He thinks a resource based economy is a top down totalitarian system. That is definitely not what I want RBE to be, and that’s why I started this blog, so that we could discuss this together.

    I welcome his comment, even though it’s dark. I still think everything is possible, though, and that if history is the only thing we learn from, we would not have airplanes.

    I also must add that, yes, societies started without money. And money is responsible for a lot of the ‘development’ we’ve seen in the world. The question is, though, has it been positive? Maybe the former societies without money were much better places to live for everybody. And contrary to many beliefs, I don’t believe those societies were ‘cave men people’, but rather was highly advanced cultures.

  18. I’m going to offend some people here. Not because what I say is untrue, but because simple truths that run counter to deeply held beliefs cause inner turmoil, and the natural reaction is a defensive posture.

    It is unavoidable.

    A resource based economy has already been used, globally, and it was a poor means to exist.

    Naked humans, standing around, practiced exactly that.

    You could work with what you had available. Societies, by default, had no money.

    The basic problem is, almost nobody knows what money is anymore, and granted, it is an evolving concept, but in essence, it is a token for trade.

    To not have money means one of two things:

    1 – You don’t trade.
    2 – You trade in actual resources (two chickens for your goat)

    The problems with both are obvious – first, almost all improvement in the human condition, and the increase in real well being come directly from trade.

    To understand this, imagine you have some paper, and I have some pencils. When we trade, we BOTH come out ahead. Wealth from thin air. No loser in the trade. From people with objects to writers and artists, with a single trade.

    Almost all real wealth comes from this, and is subjective (in other words, how *I* value pencils is not valid to you… only YOUR valuation of them). Values change. At one time asbestos was valuable, and now people pay to get rid of it, for example. You might value guns while I might not.

    When and why that value changes is a personal choice. Always.

    But trading in objects themselves meant that mostly small and lightweight objects could be traded with ease. It is easy to trade earrings, they are portable, but not so easy to trade an oven to bake bread. Yet should not both be easy to trade? Well, the fact is, they aren’t. Trading in small bits of rare metals was easier and got the same result.

    That is money.

    So to not have money means you don’t trade, or you trade in specific items.

    The problem with not having money, is that society does not advance into a bright future. Investment does not happen. People tend to go hand to mouth. When people do that, they don’t save, and when they don’t save, then can’t invest in their future.

    The civilizations that SPRANG ahead into the modern future we now have are specifically due to using money as a means to hold unused wealth. Instead of having 200 chickens, you can have three to give you eggs, and gold coins to safely store what you have saved for a rainy day… this way, when a virus kills your chickens, you simply take some savings and buy three more, instead of losing all 200.

    Future investment is then also possible. ALL investment, without exception, comes from something that was sacrificed… by not consuming it… in other words, savings. You can not invest something you don’t have.

    Therefore, resources *already are* the basis of our economy, and it has always been so, and it is precisely because of the utility and ease that money provides to MOVE VALUE TO WHERE PEOPLE WANT IT that allows us to be richer than the kings of old.

    We know this is true, because all top-down resource controlled societies have been astoundingly poor and oppressed.

    In almost all centrally controlled societies, black markets (in other words, free trade), also existed, and those markets try to make up for the failings of the central planners. (and they DO fail, because they don’t have the same values as everyone else, because values are individualistic)

    Only North Korea stands as a fundamentally centrally controlled economy with very minimal black markets, and they are astoundingly poor. They have faced starvation, hidden from the world by an political curtain.

    It’s shameful that people with such amazing wealth and resources as we do, to be sitting at electronic devices that connect them to the world, have not the experience or inclination to discover the source of their vast wealth that the richest men of history could only dream of.

    This “resource based economy” is a child’s story, like Santa Claus. It would plunge its followers into nearly instant destitution and oppression.

    Learn the lessons of history, or you will, in fact, have them repeated for you.

    1. You know what? I agree with you. And that’s why I started this website.

      Money has been around for thousands of years in some form or another. And the first time I heard about the possibility of a moneyless society, I must admit I had never thought about that myself before. I was baffled. Because, even you, the ‘down to earthy guy’, must admit that money, or the love of money, has caused a few problems in the world we have today.

      The term ‘resource based economy’ was coined by Jacque Fresco, the founder of The Venus Project. And even though he had been going on it for years, I still thought that the concept of a resource based economy had a few holes, to say the least. Yes, a ‘top down system’, you say, and that is exactly the feeling I got also, from Mr. Fresco’s vision. Still, I thought the concept of a world without money was so extremely revolutionary that it had to be discussed more. And that’s another reason I started this blog. And, of course, a ‘top down system’ is something non of us want. So, how can a resource based economy work, then? Maybe it can’t work. Maybe a totally moneyless society is too far fetched. You are completely right that people have different preferences about things. And many people are predatory, keeping their stuff tightly to their chest.

      The way I see it, the only way a resource based economy, a world without money, can work is if enough people see the value of abandoning money. Then we have to look at Humanity as One Big Family and simply start to Give to each other rather than trade. We have to see the value in sharing rather than trading. Sharing and giving, like we do with friends and family.

      In the defense of a moneyless world, I have to mention this: There are already done work totaling several billion dollars every year for free. Volunteers help old people, homeless people, go to other countries and work as doctors, work for free on farms, play in bands, make music, dance, develop software, share tons information, give massages, clean the streets, plant trees, paint paintings, make movies, share apples, give away clothes, furniture, cutlery, food, books, CDs, to mention a few things.

      Don’t know if you’ve done anything for anyone in your life for free. Maybe you should try it. It’s quite liberating.

      You made me see the glass as half empty there a little bit. But, hey! It’s half full again. 😉

  19. To better position myself for a transition:
    – no money is already no problem for me, I have this step done, so this is becoming very real already. I’m not panicking looking for a job where I am forced to sell out on what I think is important for the future of our world, for example, by selling various products that serve no other purpose than to placate an unhappy soul for a brief span of time, made of materials that are unhealthy and unnatural from the very beginning of their production process, transportation, unethical to the creatures of this world, made in short-sighted haste in order to keep the monetary economy afloat and to maintain a wasteful status-quo.
    – Focus on basic human needs and meet them in an honest way, honest just meaning that I try to understand or just think about where these things have come from, how they got to me, and how I can use them in a way that respects and honors them.
    – Food: I recently started digging a garden in my mom’s front yard where an old tree had previously been. I had no idea how difficult it is to work the earth. There were roots that needed to be dug up or cut with strong tools, I bent a pitchfork, I broke a shovel, I’ve been digging for days just trying to get the twitch-grass turned over and buried so it won’t grow up again, even though I’ve been told it will. This garden is for flowers, so it will be important for bees and birds and other bugs and things I have no idea about, but it has given me a huge appreciation for all of those people out there who work the land, raising crops of food for all of our consumption. Since we have the technology to make this back-breaking work easier, it should be preserved.
    – Other kinds of technology we can simply do without. For example, to build shelter, many hands make light work, communities used to and still do today, come together in order to raise a house, or raise a barn. Many areas of technology that we currently enjoy today are simply superfluous to our existence, create waste and wasteful attitudes that become dis-connected from the source of where their pleasures are coming from.
    – Medicine can be greatly simplified if we actually start focussing on the real causes of illness and dis-ease. These causes begin in the mind and how we repetitively perceive and distort the realities of our lives and the lives of people around us. The way I think about the events and details of my own life affects how my body feels. I can become aware of the effects of my thoughts on my body in order to find new ways of thinking about situations that I react to with tension, frustration, anger, criticism, or resentment. I can change the way I perceive my reality to create an existence of ease, responsibility/ownership, gratitude, happiness, free from many ailments. No pharmaceuticals necessary is my point, just caring people who will take the time, and who are able to take the time to get to know their patients on many levels, superficially to profound, integrating diet, exercise, habitual behaviours and attitudes, specific social problems (for example meeting others’ expectations mixed with fear of disapproval) that are chronic or novel leading up to a dis-ease, knowledge of muscle memory and other psycho-physical connections. Genes react to their environment and cannot be blamed as the causes of our problems, just like microbials cannot be blamed for us getting sick, they are merely what we see as the cause, we need to be looking at what is behind the suseptible immune system.
    – Water: I don’t know what to say, our oceans are full of plastic swirling heaps, fish are dying and being slaughtered, the lake that I live by smells horrendous for months of the year at a time. Can’t have a resource-based economy if the resources are all poisoned.
    -Basically, our wonderful easy convenient lives being currently lived by millions of people, including myself, are full of waste, totally unneccessary products and systems, that need to be removed, forgotten, turned away from, walked away from, never to be looked back upon, and definitely not spread to the third world! Keep what is necessary, simplify our lives, be aware that our wants will never cease, not as long as each one of us is alive, so be aware of what all this wanting is creating, a totally consumed natural environment. Nature has too many efficient and graceful ways for us to learn by, in order to survive on this world gracefull as well. No more urban sprawl on farmable land; WE are the builders, we can create our homes uniquely for an terrain, from any material. But we are afraid to do things differently, its hasn’t sunk in yet that we are running out of time.
    – incorportating biomimicry into our lives, being happy with the simple pleasures of life, knowing that it is hard work to survive, so each pain free moment is a gift, not something we are entitled to. Taking time to smell the roses, watch the birds, get connected with the subtle way that life unfolds here, and watch it unfold in your own life.

  20. Before I launch into anything, I’d have to step back and examine the brief. Are we assuming that money somehow suddenly disappears or are we talking a society that has transitioned into such an economy, and is managed somehow?

    Now if we get rid of money, then we are going to have to suppose people will be motivated to carry on the functions of society somehow. There are several possible ways I can think of that this can happen. One, out of the need to ensure survival. Two, out of a sense of duty or moral ‘ought’. Three, out of a sense of enjoyment or personal fulfilment.

    Assuming the first is provided for, what if the second is lacking and the third is channelled into unproductive or useless things? I speak of myself and my own failings, largely. My sense of fulfilment seems to largely involve having discussions of this type on internet sites, watching Youtube videos, going to church, and half-heartedly pursuing my college course in computer networking. I don’t do an awful lot productive, although discussions can have minimal benefit. As a Christian, I haave the ‘ought’ at the back of my mind, and should expand on that, but without the possibility that I will need to get a job or at least try to satisfy the benefits people that I am trying in order to get my money, little incentive to do more. Maybe I could do something useful with the IT training I’m getting, maybe growing stuff in the garden as I think I might want to do. Maybe go back and study something science-related again if I can. Maybe share the gospel. But it would be all too easy to just sit on my backside, as I am. Many will be the same.

    It would be better if the sysem required people to make it work, then there is the incentive- to survive and prosper.

  21. It is certainly a good question what I would do in a resource based economy.

    To be quite honest it is difficult for me. There is simply so much I want to learn more about. I want to see the world. Explore the marvels of science. The possibilities are endless. There is really no single thing I would be doing. I would be doing many things.

    Some actually say we don’t have the technology, but the truth is we do. I know many would need source lists of this, but I can’t list them all. I’ll redirect to zeitnews.org. It’s a good place to start.

  22. First- LIMIT THE POPULATION……by having birth control.

    but before we need to reduce the population…..by having 1 child per couple.

    with time we will get more planets to expand the population.

    1. Hello, and thanks for your contribution. It is interesting to see how media have managed to influence us to such a degree, that even people who want’s to escape our current system is also trapped in it in their minds. Both you and the previous commenter think ‘within the box’. Him, in terms of energy, you, in terms of population. This planet can hold many times our current population when the resources are managed properly. Of course, limiting the population is one aspect of RBE, but not the first one. The population will also be naturally limited when people are educated, does not have to go to war, does not starve and when our cultural values merge.

      Besides, this comment thread is what YOU, personally, would do in RBE. No one person will be in the position to ‘limit the population’, except for not having children him/herself. If anyone would be in that position, we would not have RBE, but rather some kind of existing ruling system. So if you can elaborate on what YOU would do when we don’t have to work for money, trade or barter, we would appreciate it.

    2. One-child policies will do little- then you just get an age-heavy population. If personal productivity is not an issue, then maybe that is less of a problem.

      How are you going to enforce it without serious repression as in China? Some people will for mere reason of belief want ten children or something.

  23. I would leave my work in the health care field and instead learn more about alternative energy and battery power (invest a lot of time to learn concepts in engineering). I would find a group working in either field and contribute towards:

    1. Making renewable energy more efficient

    2. Making batteries more efficient

    Even if we lived in an RBE, space travel currently isn’t practical, it takes large amounts of chemical propellants to get into space. If, however, alternate energy and more importantly, storage of that energy were more efficient, perhaps someone would come up with a way to escape earth’s gravity without chemical fuel.

    If space travel was practical, we could harvest more resources while disturbing none of our biosphere and perhaps move harmful industries off the planet.

    After contributing what I can to our understanding and application of energy. I would design and implement an area much different from the rest of the RBE. People here would enjoy fewer luxuries and safely face more challenges. People here would face obstace courses, learn more primitive means of navigation, go on hikes, and learn teamwork. It would be vountary, and help people appreciate the higher standard of living in an RLB.

    1. Thanks for you contribution. I would suggest, though, that there are many ‘energy avenues’ to take besides that of batteries. Nicola Tesla claimed it would be possible in the future to harness energy directly from the air, or the ‘vacuum flux’ between the atoms.

  24. Eventually, after the transition has stabilized, I’d keep on studying Nature and Philosophy, tend a garden and contribute to the tribe with all sorts of vegetables, fruits and drugs. During the transition I’d like to contribute to the software infrastructure of the RBE.
    It should contain a real time database of all stocks, shippings, exchanges, production, destruction, transformation of basic resources (some kind of foods, minerals, energy, plants, etc.), secondary resources, like chemicals, hardware, electronic parts, etc., a hierarchy of parts actually, up to the finished products.
    It should also include a people’s database with people’s availability and knowledge to the tasks described in level 2. It would include also the history of the groups that worked on specific tasks as a references for task documentation and collaboration.
    Finally it should describe the available production facilities and warehouses and the logistic infrastructure.
    So level 1 describes the where and how much of:
    – Natural resources
    – The hierarchy of man made objects
    – People and groups
    – Factories
    – Logistic system
    The second level could be a process database containing all the known production processes (of the objects in level one) in a form understandable by software agents (from level 3), able to show the needed resources, tools and process knowledge to produce every object.
    Third level could be the optimization engine, that should support the decision of what to produce, where and how much. This optimization engine should automatically manage the production and distribution of basic goods, the free for all, needed goods: food, housing, personal care and whatever is deemed absolutely necessary. It should also, given the request for non basic goods, maximize the “satisfaction” given the available resources.
    This system should be available to everyone for study and simulation of scenarios to support the “satisfaction” optimization and decision making.
    Anyone in need of information or in search of partners to build or research something could find matching profiles and all the needed data to plan for resources.
    All this should work on a horizontal basis, with decisions taken collaboratively: one head one vote.
    Especially in the beginning we could create a sort of “credits” awarded to those who do the tasks nobody wants to do, which will allow them to access some luxury objects or resources. Let’s say you want a dragster, which is deemed unnecessary, resource-wise, in favor of something else by the optimization system, so you cannot get it for free. You can still get it, but you’ll have to work, for example, in a recycling plant for a while.
    It is important to understand that credits are created in the exact quantity of luxury objects available and those will have a fixed price given the actual quantity of resources needed to build them, which in turn will change only if production processes change.
    I’m not still clear how to manage this luxury-credit thing. But there is an aspect, sharing, that should be kept in mind and developed as the main way to access luxury objects.
    A lot of work to do!

  25. I often wonder what kind of person I’d be if I didn’t have to worry about money at all. Money sucks the life out of everything in my life. I remember when I was still in elementary school, I used to have memorized all the star constellations and I used to check out books on planets, galaxies, and supernovas and ponder about space. I used to watch all the nature shows all the time. And now, I wonder what happened to all of that. Back then, that was all I cared about and I didn’t have to worry about a thing when it came to financial issues.

    If I were to live in a moneyless society, I’d try pretty much try to learn anything and everything that is available. No competition for money, no stress, no need scrape money to pay thousands of dollars for education. I’d actually go outside and run around in the sun instead of being cooped up in my house worrying about the loans and being depressed with all the social and psychological issues that go with money. My parents wouldn’t be so hung up or obsessed with financial issues. My mom wouldn’t have to feel like she’s carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders and she would be free to go visit friends and family from all over the world. I would travel a lot and actually hang out with other people. I’d want to meet people on the other side of the globe.

    I’d go swimming all the time, dive in the Earth’s oceans to see the marine environment, and do parkour to figure out the limits of my human body and work with it. Try to expand my potential in whatever I endeavor instead of standing around taking phone calls, stand in front of a cash register, or mindlessly work at some desk job. In a moneyless society, it would be easier to make myself faster, stronger, smarter, more agile, more focused, and more active. I’d learn how to blow glass, work metal, and create designs for buildings! I’d want to learn about the natural workings of the world, study plants and animals, imitate them and incorporate their natural adaptations into the things I create. I’d paint and draw a lot and perhaps look for any other signs of life far out there.

    I’d want to help engineers, architects, veterinarians…etc I would like to be useful to some greater cause. I’d want to figure out how to sense or track unseen energy that is often described in metaphysics and try to explain it using science and technology.

    I realized long ago, that I don’t need that many possessions. I don’t want all of these shoes or a thousand sets of clothes with brand labels that seem to get out of fashion every year. I don’t even like half of the clothes that are being sold in stores these days. I’d rather make my own and wear it until it tears.

    I want to feel what it’s like to not have to keep s*** like a person with a pack rat mentality. No need to keep bank notes, no taxes, no bills, no stupid car insurance for some car that I hate maintaining…To just be free to go where I want to go and do what I want to do. Life can be so simple without clinging on to all of these possessions. To just lay down anywhere I want (heck, sometimes when the weather is really nice during the night, I’d want to just sleep outside. I keep thinking about that lush, green lawn in Denmark), wherever it may be, and read a book, eating an orange…to go wherever I want to go and be whoever I want to be without having all these restrictions in place or needing all of these passes and security checks, is that too much to ask?

  26. Well this is my plan if i win the lottery, so in a resource based society, I wouldn’t have to win the lottery. I’m very good at taking care of people. I would like to get homeless people off the street. Allan K Chalmers said “The grand essentials of happiness are something to do, something to love and something to hope for. The homeless have many needs besides the basic physical ones of food and shelter, although that’s certainly where I would start. I figure I could help 2 people a month. Ideally I’d like them to be able to live in someone’s guestroom. There are a lot of empty guestrooms out there. I can’t say I came up with the idea myself. I got it from a Nick Hornsby book called “How To Be Good”. Anyway, I’d get a roof over their heads, and get them set up with the basic things – food, kitchen stuff, furniture. I’d take them to get a good physical and mental checkup and make sure they got any medication they needed. If they had a mental illness, I’d work with them to make sure they took their meds every day. If they had an addiction problem like alcohol, I’d find out out if they wanted to go to AA or some other support group. This would be a good way for them to rebuild their safety net, their “tribe”.

    Then they’d need something to do, so I’d help them find some work. Money wouldn’t be an issue, so it would just have to be something that they wanted to do, that would make them feel useful. If they had particular skills, then we could work on finding them a job using them. If not, they could do something like work on repairing old and poor people’s homes or working at an animal shelter or a food bank or planting community gardens. There’s plenty of work to be done, we’d just have to find something they found rewarding.

    Then they would need something to hope for, so I’d get them to help me help the next couple of homeless people. We would build kind of a mentoring, friendship web. Hopefully I could get more non-homeless people interested in helping, so that we would have more people with some good life skills. Some of the homeless that aren’t as able to do physical work could be live in companions for the elderly and disabled. They could do as much as they could do. I have to keep reminding myself, money isn’t an issue. Everyone’s needs are taken care of.

    Imagine if every home and building could be built to be beautiful and energy efficient, without worry of cost. People wouldn’t have to be slaves to excess square footage just to have a nice house. Communties could have pools and parks and gardens because the cost of maintenance wouldn’t be an issue.

    Artists could spend their time making art, and musicians making music, because their needs are met. They don’t have to worry about the roof over there head, or the clothes on their back or the food on their table. If someone wanted to go to school, they could go as far as their mind would take them. We wouldn’t have shortages of scientists and teachers and nurses and doctors because they could all get their education for free.

    Going into programs like the Peace Corps and Americorps would be more commonplace. A young person would never have to prostitute themselves. Development would take place in third world countries to improve agriculture and infrastructure, to bring them into the 21st century. A child from a third world country could become a doctor or an engineer or a teacher or a farmer. We have the resources.

    We have the resources. They are just being hoarded by a handful of people.

  27. Where do I Begin!!….. If there was no money, the first thing I would do would be to party for a week 🙂 ! On a more serious note, I would be able to finally take up Tai’ Chi. Something I have wanted to do but either have no time (when I’m working) or no enough money (when I’m not working). This would be the same with a lot of things that many people would like to get involved in.

    Another (sort of) past time of mine is Parkour or Freerunning. I could get some basic training so I don’t keep injuring myself so much!! Other things I would love to do include, traveling the world and living within different community’s.

    I would love to try skydiving, being with dolphins (not in some caged area though), experience jet flight first hand, visit the International Space Station, rank in the top ten in a world wide LAN Party, go on a cruise or better yet take out a yacht with some lovely women. Have my garden be a filed of cannabis – it’s really not that bad.

    As you can see this is only a small list that I could spend all day filling out, but you get the point. Most people think that you would be bored in a RBE, but they just haven’t thought about the things they would ‘like to do, but don’t have any time or money’, no matter how insignificant it may seam it will most likely make you happier.

  28. My primary focus would be working on scalable and automated agriculture systems. Both vertical farms, and remote farms on arable I land are an interest that would love to pursue. I have enough information and knowhow to build and maintain these sorts of systems but no money to actually make it happen. If I didn’t have to worry about financing these sorts of operations I would for sure be working on them right now.

  29. I’d pursue my dreams in physics and work specifically in astronomy, with possibly a further focus in space colonization. Maybe this would be too far fetched even for an RBE, but it’s not impossible. We do have the technology and materials to colonize mars, however we can’t at the moment, due to no space agency having the available funding.

  30. I would go anywhere where I felt I could help people in trouble.

    Not have a superhero mentality, mind you, but make myself available to pull people from rubble after an earthquake, rescue them from rooftops during a flood, etc…

    Between crises, I might try to help in the development of an infrastructure that makes the process of saving people in local and remote locations more efficient: VTOL air-vehicles, high-speed city-to-city transportation, international high-speed sub-orbital transports.

    Plus, I love to cook, make custom vinyl stickers, metal forging, melting and casting, welding, woodworking, carpentry, electronic design, programming. Maybe even figure out a way to post everything that I do learn into a centralized (or decentralized) knowledge repository for future generations.

    I would fall in love with as many people as possible and hope to never fall out of love with any of them.

  31. A transition point from within the entrapment of an antiquated, monetary system… It is all we have ever known, so fear of loss, is our opponent.

    It is said that mankind cognates over 50% in pictures, so the written word is at a distinct disadvantage. If we are to bring about the huge, fundamental change we need the actual transfer of information, not just information. So imagery would help. Perhaps “Gapminder” instead of word processors lol?

    Our 5 senses kind of dictate that we are partners with life and when we step outside life into the dead zone of usury,[even for the temporal period of some 3500 years] we end up with an entanglement instead of a natural relationship between ourselves and our planet. We have proven to be curious and capable and the incentives of mastery, purpose, and autonomy have also proven, hands down, to whip the money incentives collective ass.


    
Monsanto as a scientific technological, undertaking is far different than … Monsanto as a economic, monetary pig, undertaking. … Distinctions to be considered.

  32. Initially I would work on automating those functions of society that are not already automated, and optimising process control systems for maximum efficiency with the knowledge that we have today.
    When we can get up and running to a fair standard of living, I think I would do more general mechanical design work, while reading into all the sciences that interest me, of which there are many.
    I would like to possibly be part of the effort that goes to build infrastructure in the current ‘third world’ and make up for the damage done by the british empire, although I would need someone or something to translate for me.

    Whenever I get tired I’d have a robotic chef whip me up some hash brownies and curry the way I like it, I’d also experiment more with my own cooking and try to contribute to that machine learning.
    When we liberate the hoarded things, I’d like to go sailing with a few friends on one of the many yachts that fall into disuse and disrepair in most marinas/boatyards.
    When we recycle some of the old cities, I’d like to rekindle my love for carpentry using some of the scrap, and perhaps contribute to some community artwork sculpture to decorate a new city.

    I hope that I would get to hug some wonderful new person every day.

  33. What would I do if I had endless time and resources?

    I would make beautiful music all day, every day. Well, not every day, of course I would spend a lot of my time helping society. Most of the time, though, I would learn to play every instrument, learn to use all kinds of music editing software, and simply produce beautiful music for the world to enjoy. I don’t play very many instruments currently aside from the drums and GarageBand, but I know that’s what I’d do.

  34. I may not be able to do whatever I want but I will do whatever is
    ‘needed’ to make it work…..hopefully every one will have the same attitude.
    As long as the work I do is ‘useful’ for all of society and not to make someone rich I don’t care.

  35. I would continue as an author, but also maybe lecture history (monetary system history, of course)

    I would go on holiday to various locations that, currently under the monetary system, are deprived and sometimes dangerous, like India and Africa

    It would be very good, I would have lots of time to do my work and perhaps start a family

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