The Best Resource Based Gift Economy Transition Presentation I’ve Ever Seen


How can the transition happen, what would a possible transition look like, and is the transition we are talking about even unique in Earth’s history? And what can we do today?

Sebastian Chedal presents the connection between current world changes and past evolutionary patterns. We look at evolutionary cycles, energy curves, growing cycles of innovation and adaptation.

Concepts from Spiral Dynamics, Ken Wilber, Integral Philosophy, Venus Project, Permaculture and Gift Economics.

The final part of this presentation analyses global initiatives related to the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement so that people who are interested in making a change today have options regarding where they can get involved. Finally local Portland chapter initiatives are also mentioned. For more information, and links to the resources mentioned, please visit zeitgeistpdx.org/zday2011

Now that The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement have split up, it is appropriate to say that instead of ‘The Venus Project’ as and overlying structure, it should be a ‘resource based economy’ as the overlaying structure.

14 thoughts on “The Best Resource Based Gift Economy Transition Presentation I’ve Ever Seen

    1. I cant access FaceBook, but I am very curious as to how the Hybrid Town is organized, how are decisions made (direct participatory democracy?), how are needs identified/tracked, how voluntary participation is coordinated/organized/scheduled, etc.

  1. Is this the best transition plan ever seen compared to others or the only one? I havent received any love from this website 🙁

    1. At this point in time, in my opinion, the most promising first step towards a transition presentation is the one by Oskar Gonzalez (which I assume is you). Imo the presentation here with spirals and yin yang is extremely far from a plan of action, far removed from realistic and concrete objectives/actions/functional changes or organization parameters. Though it deserves praise being (since I have not invested time into making a presentation Im a backseat driver at this time, so its important people dont think i’m criticizing the efforts made, which are appreciated).

      We need more down to earth road map and I realize its work in progress. However, one aspect I think needs to be adjusted in the “idea” of RBE is the way its presented as a Global solution, which evokes impressions of uniformity and hegemony, which are not good imo.

      1- Variety and Diversity is preferable, both because a] it make the whole better (increases functionality, increases points of view/potential solutions, methods: like having a tool box with many different tools is better than having a toolbox filled with screwdrivers, AND b] it increases the scope/distribution (like diversity of lifeforms can spread to a diversity of locations/climate/conditions in the environment: diversity in communities would enable them to thrive in a diverse cultural environments)
      2- Imo transition is most likely to require interaction with groups that are NOT RBE, we have no choice but to use computers or parts made by corporations, initially, so we do need to interact with groups that are s diverse that they are very far from RBE, so I think theres no reason why a RBE community should not be able to interact with an RBE-like community that is quite different in some respects or functions)

      So imo, what’s needed for an idea is diversity in groups and communities (so if you describe RBE, makes sure you say this is a screwdriver, or rather one type of RBE-ish community, while allowing room for other forms of implementation that might be different, have local participatory democracy, and non-circular cities), and the Important part is that these diverse communities interact and collaborate.

      On the more practical side, what I would like to see, is an example of Organization, how a group of people can organize and function, as alternatives to a company(production) and municipality, while reaching equivalent or better results for the efficiency and quality of life than current hierarchic organizations.

      1. Very good comment. Thank you! I can’t agree more in the point about diversity. This is the whole point of this website, to discuss ‘what RBE actually is’. Because to me, TVP has far from all the answers. They have their version of the future, but it clearly won’t be dictated by their vision only. To me RBE will be like the world we have today, only without banks, money, trade or barter and all that goes with it, and with no borders and free travel for all, no wars, etc. and with collaboration as a main focus. We will still have production of goods and services based on what is needed and wanted in society, but without profit motive, and a people motive instead.

        Now, to ‘get there’ we of course need to collaborate with ‘non RBE’ companies with the assumption that all companies will become RBE companies eventually. Yes, your thoghts are quite in line with what I’ve thought as well. As time comes I will express a full transition ‘plan’ and descriptions of how the RBE society can work.

        1. Hello, Harald, could you add an article that present’s Oskar Gonzales ‘ presentation on Transition and if possible offer him to add/write a few words about it. Its worth seeing and discussing. Im not on facebook at this time and would like to share ideas about it and get feedback from Oskar and anybody else.
          (BTW cudos for this site’s accessibility, since it doesn’t require registration/membership etc, I appreciate the spontaneous ease of use)

          1. I would love to. I didn’t find much info about him on Google though, but I found this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDAbBLBJJAc

            I’ll look through these videos tomorrow (have to sleep now…), as someone who have an idea of a transition plan seems extremely interesting. If I get a hold of him, he will be invited to write on the site. Do you have any more contact info to him?

            By the way, if you want to submit an article or more for the site, you are very welcome, Renard. Just say when, and I’ll open up for registration.

  2. I developed a system similar to RBE in the 80s. It did not exclude property ownership entirely. You didnt own tradeable goods but earned use priviliges and higher status grades if you contributed employment services in low demand. it was quite nuanced. i think it is a better solution than RBE. RBE overestimates human virtue.

    1. Well, go ahead and share it, my friend, if you want to. That’s what this site is for.

      This is not a ‘fanatical’ group of some kind that only adheres to one thing. We are here to discuss things. And I would very much like to see your system. You can register and write an article about it if you like. I would like that.

  3. The resource based economy (RBE) is a money-less economy (MLE). Why it is necessary to manage resources in the MLE? The RBE assumes that people will behave in the same way under MLE as they are doing now. This assumption is wrong.

    The MLE will change our philosophy completely. Our demands will change. We will no longer remain a consumer society. There will be no TV advertisements for consumer products. People will buy only things that they need.

    No one will buy corporate jets any more. Since they are all free it will not carry any status symbols. Same will be true for luxury cars and big houses. Thus the demand for resources for these items will reduce. Many scarce resources will become abundant again.

    Thus RBE is not necessary. All we need is MLE.

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    1. RBE, MLE, it’s the same thing. A resource based economy is a moneyless economy. I think you’ve misunderstood, and not thought things through. It is apparent, since you use the word ‘buy’. ‘People will “buy” only things that they need’. When there’s no money, there’s no need to ‘buy’ anything. Saying that ‘RBE is not necessary. All we need is MLE’ is just ridiculous. Yes, people will have awakened and they will behave differently. They will behave in a way that MANAGES THE RESOURCES PROPERLY. Thus, in an awakened moneyless society, resources will be managed property, and we will have a moneyless resources based economy, or whatever you like to call it. It is only semantics, my friend. Don’t get lost in it.

  4. I cannot express how grateful I am to come across such tangible and evolutionary ideas. We are constantly bombarded with problems, but hardley ever with solutions. That must change. This creative hope is real.

    It’s much needed in my life. I am a science major living and studying in China. They will need to get on board with transition, and I hope to play a role translating and introducing these ideas into their science communities.

    Thanks for all you do,
    Annette Partida
    Hangzhou, China

    1. Indeed, the Chinese are still in a somewhat unique position: they can either follow the (former) western powers along the established path of capitalistic development, or they can choose a higher road, and begin to steer the world in a different direction. Unfortunately, at the moment, most of those in power appear to be mesmerized by money, and only see the benefit of their gung-ho industrial development.

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