Comments for The Resource Based Economy http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com Replacing Trading and Ownership with Giving and Usership = Total Global Abundance Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:28:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on The Trust Economy by Kelly MacInnis http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2012/01/the-trust-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-664 Kelly MacInnis Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:28:57 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=906#comment-664 Ryan, Thank you so much for taking the time to think about this and comment. I would like to suggest a few ideas that may help you wrap your head around this. The value of our stuff dose not become 0. Things still have value. The value is just not measured in dollars and it is not used to balance individual transactions. Things don't become "up for grabs". It is a sharing process. You own what you have until you share it. Stealing is still not allowed. If you don't what to share you don't have to; Although it would be hard to think of why you wouldn't. I pointed this out in the article but I think it is worth mentioning: There is massive hording now. Money allows people to amass wealth (resources) that they could not use in a thousand lifetimes. They use that wealth to control, manipulate and withhold from others. They also use it to control perceptions so that people think it is normal for ones to do this. This kind of hording is far more destructive than anything one person or group could do if all resources were free. Ryan,

Thank you so much for taking the time to think about this and comment. I would like to suggest a few ideas that may help you wrap your head around this.

The value of our stuff dose not become 0. Things still have value. The value is just not measured in dollars and it is not used to balance individual transactions.

Things don’t become “up for grabs”. It is a sharing process. You own what you have until you share it. Stealing is still not allowed. If you don’t what to share you don’t have to; Although it would be hard to think of why you wouldn’t.

I pointed this out in the article but I think it is worth mentioning: There is massive hording now. Money allows people to amass wealth (resources) that they could not use in a thousand lifetimes. They use that wealth to control, manipulate and withhold from others. They also use it to control perceptions so that people think it is normal for ones to do this. This kind of hording is far more destructive than anything one person or group could do if all resources were free.

]]> Comment on The Trust Economy by Ryan http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2012/01/the-trust-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-663 Ryan Mon, 06 Feb 2012 03:30:03 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=906#comment-663 The whole idea behind the RBE was a little hard for me to grasp when I immediately began to read about it. I could see how it could work, but failed to see exactly why it would work the way it theoretically could. The hardest part for me was to understand the fact that people wouldn't hoard goods in an RBE and why they wouldn't hoard those goods. I think the best way to understand it, for me at least, is to keep the principle of how money works; not the system but just the idea of having a value for everything. Now, assume that the value of everything in the entire world has a value of $0, you're $250,000 house, $25,000 car, $250 netbook... All of it drops to a $0. What got me at first was "how can we keep people from taking more than they need? Everything is available for grabs after all." But, when I really started to think about it, I realized that if everything in the world has the same "value," then there would be no incentive to hoard it. You wouldn't have to worry about taking advantage of the "buy 3 get 1 free" even though you only need two. Since everything is available for grabs, you would just take two. I just thought I'd share the mentality of the $0 value analogy in case some people were having trouble thinking of how it would work, since it is quite an alien system to most of us. The whole idea behind the RBE was a little hard for me to grasp when I immediately began to read about it. I could see how it could work, but failed to see exactly why it would work the way it theoretically could. The hardest part for me was to understand the fact that people wouldn’t hoard goods in an RBE and why they wouldn’t hoard those goods.

I think the best way to understand it, for me at least, is to keep the principle of how money works; not the system but just the idea of having a value for everything. Now, assume that the value of everything in the entire world has a value of $0, you’re $250,000 house, $25,000 car, $250 netbook… All of it drops to a $0. What got me at first was “how can we keep people from taking more than they need? Everything is available for grabs after all.” But, when I really started to think about it, I realized that if everything in the world has the same “value,” then there would be no incentive to hoard it. You wouldn’t have to worry about taking advantage of the “buy 3 get 1 free” even though you only need two. Since everything is available for grabs, you would just take two.

I just thought I’d share the mentality of the $0 value analogy in case some people were having trouble thinking of how it would work, since it is quite an alien system to most of us.

]]> Comment on Money Makes Me Miserable by Anon http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/03/money-as-a-motivator/comment-page-1/#comment-659 Anon Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:14:48 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=425#comment-659 Very True, money is not real, and it is nothing more than a commodity of "non-real" value which is exchanged between people for something of real value. Money just slows down developing processes. Money was actually a good idea at the time of its inception, but that was a long time ago and the people of the world faced REAL Scarcity. But as technology developed, there was no need for the monetary system to continue and money was obsolete long ago. But the trend continued, and it is now today deeply integrated into our social, economic, political, cultural, technological dimensions. Patents for technology that make free energy possible are continuously being dismissed by the government, and the press does not cover these stories. Poverty cannot be eradicated like this. Visit my page to know more about India Very True, money is not real, and it is nothing more than a commodity of “non-real” value which is exchanged between people for something of real value. Money just slows down developing processes. Money was actually a good idea at the time of its inception, but that was a long time ago and the people of the world faced REAL Scarcity. But as technology developed, there was no need for the monetary system to continue and money was obsolete long ago. But the trend continued, and it is now today deeply integrated into our social, economic, political, cultural, technological dimensions. Patents for technology that make free energy possible are continuously being dismissed by the government, and the press does not cover these stories. Poverty cannot be eradicated like this. Visit my page to know more about India

]]> Comment on Will You Do The Job You Have Today Without Money? by Catfish Rivers http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/11/will-you-do-the-job-you-have-today-without-money/comment-page-2/#comment-642 Catfish Rivers Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:01:02 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=686#comment-642 Yes. I have worked as a paper boy, groundskeeper, store clerk, library clerk, security guard, behavioral health counselor, teacher, property manager, office manager, and free lance web developer, musician/artist, and dog trainer. I would lovingly work any combination of any of all of those skills I have learned, and any new ones I might be graced to learn as well in a resource based economy. Some sort of social media site built around this idea could help kickstart collaborative efforts faster. Yes.

I have worked as a paper boy, groundskeeper, store clerk, library clerk, security guard, behavioral health counselor, teacher, property manager, office manager, and free lance web developer, musician/artist, and dog trainer.

I would lovingly work any combination of any of all of those skills I have learned, and any new ones I might be graced to learn as well in a resource based economy.

Some sort of social media site built around this idea could help kickstart collaborative efforts faster.

]]> Comment on How The Monetary System Works by Harald Sandø http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/10/how-the-monetary-system-works/comment-page-1/#comment-641 Harald Sandø Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:30:14 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=626#comment-641 Ok Vann, you're right, it won't work. SO, EVERYBODY! HEY! LISTEN UP! WE HAVE A SMART GUY HERE! HE SAYS THAT RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY IS COMMUNISM! At least, that's what I think he say's, even though he isn't very clear... SO! DON'T BOTHER! JUST GO ON BUYING STUFF! GO ON ISSUING LOANS WITH INTEREST! GO ON MAKING WAR OVER NATURAL RESOURCES AND LAND! GO ON KILLING EACH OTHER! DON'T WAKE UP! I REPEAT! DO NOT WAKE UP!! STAY ASLEEP!!! WATCH TELEVISION!!! BRAINWASH YOURSELF!!!! Thank you Vann (hey! that means 'water' in Norwegian, did you know that!? Cool, huh? :) for enlightening us all and leading us back to the RIGHT PATH. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Without your brilliant arguments and exquisite reasoning we would have wasted a lot of time. I can't thank you enough. Now I can continue driving my gas guzzling car, wear Nike and buy extremely cheap sand blown jeans (that I know workers in Bangladesh gets lung cancer from producing) with good conscience! Thank you! AND TO THE REST OF YOU! FORGET EVERYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN ON THIS WEBSITE! JUST FORGET IT!! THERE ISN'T ONE SOUND ARGUMENT HERE!!! VANN IS RIGHT!! IT IS ALL BULLSHIT!! WE CAN NOT CHOOSE OURSELVES!! WE CAN NOT EVOLVE TO A HIGHER STATE WHERE WE LOOK AT THE NEXT PERSON AS FAMILY!! WE CAN NOT LIVE IN HARMONY WITH NATURE!!! WE CAN NOT SHARE AND GIVE!! NO!!! DON'T DO IT!!! IT IS DANGEROUS!!! THE WHOLE SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE!!!!! WHAT SHALL WE DO????? NOOOOOAAAHSHHHHHWHWWW==GGGGGHHHHGTRWWHWCFSALVOAIEJGLKJH432980RU0U)(&(#*&OIER(*YU"11!!1 Ok Vann, you’re right, it won’t work.

SO, EVERYBODY! HEY! LISTEN UP! WE HAVE A SMART GUY HERE! HE SAYS THAT RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY IS COMMUNISM! At least, that’s what I think he say’s, even though he isn’t very clear… SO! DON’T BOTHER! JUST GO ON BUYING STUFF! GO ON ISSUING LOANS WITH INTEREST! GO ON MAKING WAR OVER NATURAL RESOURCES AND LAND! GO ON KILLING EACH OTHER!

DON’T WAKE UP! I REPEAT! DO NOT WAKE UP!! STAY ASLEEP!!! WATCH TELEVISION!!! BRAINWASH YOURSELF!!!!

Thank you Vann (hey! that means ‘water’ in Norwegian, did you know that!? Cool, huh? :) for enlightening us all and leading us back to the RIGHT PATH. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Without your brilliant arguments and exquisite reasoning we would have wasted a lot of time. I can’t thank you enough. Now I can continue driving my gas guzzling car, wear Nike and buy extremely cheap sand blown jeans (that I know workers in Bangladesh gets lung cancer from producing) with good conscience! Thank you!

AND TO THE REST OF YOU! FORGET EVERYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN ON THIS WEBSITE! JUST FORGET IT!! THERE ISN’T ONE SOUND ARGUMENT HERE!!! VANN IS RIGHT!! IT IS ALL BULLSHIT!! WE CAN NOT CHOOSE OURSELVES!! WE CAN NOT EVOLVE TO A HIGHER STATE WHERE WE LOOK AT THE NEXT PERSON AS FAMILY!! WE CAN NOT LIVE IN HARMONY WITH NATURE!!! WE CAN NOT SHARE AND GIVE!! NO!!! DON’T DO IT!!! IT IS DANGEROUS!!! THE WHOLE SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE!!!!! WHAT SHALL WE DO????? NOOOOOAAAHSHHHHHWHWWW==GGGGGHHHHGTRWWHWCFSALVOAIEJGLKJH432980RU0U)(&(#*&OIER(*YU”11!!1

]]> Comment on How The Monetary System Works by Vann http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/10/how-the-monetary-system-works/comment-page-1/#comment-640 Vann Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:39:37 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=626#comment-640 Can you say Communism? That word is derived from community, sharing everything, not owning anything. Worked out well for Russia huh? Can you say Communism? That word is derived from community, sharing everything, not owning anything. Worked out well for Russia huh?

]]> Comment on The Occupy Movement is worthless, unless… by Durk (toodevastate) Barton http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/10/the-occupy-movement-is-worthless-unless/comment-page-1/#comment-639 Durk (toodevastate) Barton Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:35:12 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=596#comment-639 Everyone who reads this post should take into account that the author is not speaking of a sudden, gestalt change in society. This is too iealistic; it asks people to sacrifice their, "homeostasis", driven feelings of structure. As the author stated the principle requirement for this concept to work is an adjustment of, "mindset", I do not use the quotes flippantly but for emphasisl. We already know that changes in mental posture, attitude are probably the most difficult. It often requires some high-stress situation or tragedy to influence this alteration. Fear not however, such a situation is occuring as we speak, in the form of the worldwide monetary crises, as the writer mentioned. Probably the best thing that any of us can do is to give this presentation a sober in depth consideration. Thank you. Everyone who reads this post should take into account that the author is not speaking of a sudden, gestalt change in society. This is too iealistic; it asks people to sacrifice their, “homeostasis”, driven feelings of structure. As the author stated the principle requirement for this concept to work is an adjustment of, “mindset”, I do not use the quotes flippantly but for emphasisl. We already know that changes in mental posture, attitude are probably the most difficult. It often requires some high-stress situation or tragedy to influence this alteration. Fear not however, such a situation is occuring as we speak, in the form of the worldwide monetary crises, as the writer mentioned. Probably the best thing that any of us can do is to give this presentation a sober in depth consideration. Thank you.

]]> Comment on The Trust Economy by Durk (toodevastate) Barton http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2012/01/the-trust-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-638 Durk (toodevastate) Barton Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:32:59 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=906#comment-638 This article crystallizes thoughts and suppositions that I have had for decades. Since the days of, the "hippie", mentality I have accepted the perception that mutual benefit of all contributing to a joing reality is immeasurable. I shall very much be implementing these postulations and perceptions in all my future undertakings. I hope that all who read this article will see the value in it's presentations. It is a shame that the leaders of society do not have the kind of insight that is presented here. May the good Lord help them. As for the rest of us, let us move on into a better world. This article crystallizes thoughts and suppositions that I have had for decades. Since the days of, the “hippie”, mentality I have accepted the perception that mutual benefit of all contributing to a joing reality is immeasurable. I shall very much be implementing these postulations and perceptions in all my future undertakings. I hope that all who read this article will see the value in it’s presentations. It is a shame that the leaders of society do not have the kind of insight that is presented here. May the good Lord help them. As for the rest of us, let us move on into a better world.

]]> Comment on How The Monetary System Works by Harald Sandø http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/10/how-the-monetary-system-works/comment-page-1/#comment-637 Harald Sandø Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:13:56 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=626#comment-637 Thank you. A very good addition to the above article. I recommend everyone reading this one too, and watch the videos. Thank you. A very good addition to the above article. I recommend everyone reading this one too, and watch the videos.

]]> Comment on How The Monetary System Works by Dave http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/10/how-the-monetary-system-works/comment-page-1/#comment-636 Dave Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:50:48 +0000 http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/?p=626#comment-636 Interesting article, you may enjoy this one on the abstraction. Money is nothing more than a term which represents an abstract form of exchange of labour for purchasing power. This article will not investigate interest, loans, debt or the creation of money. For in reality money could be gold, silver, match sticks or pine nuts. Here we will concentrate on the direct result of defining a value to labour to use in exchange for purchasing power. http://socialrebirth.blogspot.com/2012/01/abstraction.html Interesting article, you may enjoy this one on the abstraction.
Money is nothing more than a term which represents an abstract form of exchange of labour for purchasing power. This article will not investigate interest, loans, debt or the creation of money.
For in reality money could be gold, silver, match sticks or pine nuts. Here we will concentrate on the direct result of defining a value to labour to use in exchange for purchasing power.
http://socialrebirth.blogspot.com/2012/01/abstraction.html

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